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Then there was this, which was also a response to my reply to Terah.

Posted at 12:16 PM on April 16, 2013

American Muslims Mourn For Boston Marathon Victims
16 Apr, 2013 07:37 CET

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community condemns bombings and calls for unity against extremism

Press Release
For Immediate Release: April 15, 2013

Contact: Qasim Rashid
(202) 499-7035

American Muslims Mourn For Boston Marathon Victims

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community condemns bombings and calls for unity against extremism

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA expresses its most heartfelt condolences to the victims and families affected by the bombings in Boston today and prays that God Almighty gives them patience, comfort and strength during this time of immense struggle. While details of the attack continue to emerge, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA condemns this horrific act in the strongest possible manner. The Community prays that those responsible for today’s bombing are swiftly brought to justice and that peace is once again restored.

“As Muslims, our duty is both to God and to humanity,” said Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA National Vice President Dr. Nasim Rehmatullah, “and we want our fellow Americans to be confident that we stand united with them, especially in this difficult time.” Moreover, the Community’s Boston chapter is available to provide assistance to those affected by this tragedy.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA also commends the first responders, police officers, and firefighters for acting so quickly and courageously. Their heroism should not be forgotten.

About Ahmadiyya Muslim Community:
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a dynamic, reformist and fast-growing international revival movement within Islam. Founded in 1889, the Community spans more than 200 countries with membership exceeding tens of millions. Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA, established in 1920, is among the first American-Muslim organizations.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is the only Islamic organization to believe that the long- awaited messiah has come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) of Qadian, India. Ahmad claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad. The Community believes that God sent Ahmad, like Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice and peace. Ahmad’s advent has brought about an unprecedented era of Islamic revival and moderation. He divested Muslims of fanatical beliefs and practices by vigorously championing Islam’s true and essential teachings.


so go away you racist bigot.

To which I replied a few days later.

Mike Gardner
Posted at 9:56 PM on April 23, 2013

Thank you for bringing the pronouncement of the Ahmadiyya community to our attention. It is most welcome to hear members of the Islamic faith weigh in against anyone, Muslim or not, who commits such crimes. At the time they issued this release, it was not yet widely known that it was their co-religionists who were responsible, but I trust the emergence of that fact has not altered their respect for America or contempt for the perpetrators.

The Ahmadiyya, it should be noted, are considered heretics by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. Both Sunni and Shia denounce, and in other parts of the world, persecute, the Ahmadiyya. In no sense do they speak for worldwide Islam.

You forgot in your parting shot to accuse me of being an “Islamophobe.” That would have nicely rounded out the obligatory ad hominems to be directed at anyone who tells the truth about the nature and extent of the jihad. And please, for the record, quote specific statements I’ve made which are “bigoted” or “racist”.

By the way, what race is Islam again?


There was, naturally, no response from Cameris.

Some Shenanigans over at

This exchange took place just after the Boston jihad attack by the Tsarnaev brothers. At the time of this writing, they had not yet been identified or apprehended — I surmised, because it had all the earmarks of jihad warfare, that it must surely be so, and I was right.

Posted at 3:28 AM on April 16, 2013

Not being of the USA, and not having any affiliation with any religion (I trust on my inner sense of right and wrong – if there is a supreme being, I’m sure he’ll keep me straight), I can only say that this doesn’t smell like a terrorist attack, and even if they find the perpetrator to have ties to a larger terrorist organisation, I don’t find it likely that this was done one their behalf.

1: No one claimed the attack yet
2: 2/5 bombs went off, 3/5 found and dismantled
3: What on earth is offensive about a marathon?

This was probably some misled soul who got lost his job and got evicted and blames the world for his problems. Unfortunately, he lived in or around Boston…

I wish all the victims and everyone involved all the power to deal with this horrible event.

Mike Gardner
Posted at 8:32 AM on April 16, 2013


I find your argument incoherent. You don’t sense the attributes of a terror attack here? Surely even though you are outside the US you have access to the news from Iraq, Britain, Pakistan, Israel, India and many other places where bombings of just this style (multiple devices, staged detonation to cause maximum injury) were carried out by Islamic jihadists. And why on Earth would a perp with “ties to a larger terrorist organization” NOT carry out such an attack on their behalf? Acting as a lone wolf? What purpose, then, of being part of a larger organization? Incoherent.

Terror organizations attacking the West, especially the US, don’t typically take credit immediately for their evil, unlike in many other parts of the world. I can only conjecture about why this is so, perhaps fearing the wrath of the US military which has shown itself capable of killing you wherever you are on the planet. Jihadists, though they are clever and diabolical, have nevertheless not shown themselves to be the most competent bomb technicians on the planet (thank God!). Witness Richard Reid, Umar Abdulmutallab and Faisal Shahzad. It is therefore not a surprise that some of the devices failed. And an endless series of statements by the jihadists themselves establish that it is not specifics of our way of life that they’re attacking, spurred by hatred of marathons or financial centers. They hate us because we are infidels. They are offended that we disbelieve in their divinely-mandated cult of death-worship, pedophilia, urine-drinking and misogyny.

An out-of-work Bostonian? Surely you jest.


Posted at 10:56 AM on April 16, 2013

I want to slap you so bad right now that you forget your name. As a Muslim, I am just enraged. Jihadist? Do you even use that brain of yours? What they speak is not what Islam is. What they speak is all a lie. This is to all who instantly blamed the Muslims. Put a sock in your whirlwind of lies.

Somewhat later, after the fact that it was indeed a jihad attack was established, I responded to flickertwist.

Yes, the peaceful and tolerant Muslims are forever lovingly and tolerantly threatening those who point out that those who commit violent jihad are doing so in the name of Islam, as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev revealed today about the motive of his brother Tamerlan who reportedly “wanted to defend Islam.” Similar motives are routinely cited by jihadists. If their description of Islam is inaccurate, how did they all come to (mis)understand it the same way?

No response from flickertwist.